tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5414957110325310952.post8076981845086692255..comments2024-03-07T00:23:26.870-08:00Comments on Croft's Wanderings: How It StartedCrofthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17634815881045387152noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5414957110325310952.post-61536291405564564342013-06-28T14:26:18.690-07:002013-06-28T14:26:18.690-07:00And Croft, the act specifically mention the ages o...And Croft, the act specifically mention the ages of 16 and 18...anything younger does not apply in the act, so your drivers licence comparison isn't valid.Kevin Readhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05795747155781311686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5414957110325310952.post-17943838852667707192013-06-28T14:24:45.391-07:002013-06-28T14:24:45.391-07:00So Rick, tell me where in the act it says that it ...So Rick, tell me where in the act it says that it relates only to employment. Or is that just your "opinion"?<br /><br />You lefties are hilarious. You ask for the facts...I show them to you...and you still don't believe them!Kevin Readhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05795747155781311686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5414957110325310952.post-5861062926995937822013-06-28T10:09:43.183-07:002013-06-28T10:09:43.183-07:00And 10 year olds should be able to have a drivers ...And 10 year olds should be able to have a drivers licence! To deny them one is age discrimination, right?Crofthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17634815881045387152noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5414957110325310952.post-73917097666434193722013-06-28T08:40:04.718-07:002013-06-28T08:40:04.718-07:00Not to belabor the point any further but the Human...Not to belabor the point any further but the Human Rights Act only further supports my argument re employment. If Kevin really believes the act he references is relevant, which it is not, then he has a remedy - take it to court like DOMA and see how far it gets. <br /><br />In the meantime, I'm off to pay my property taxes and because I'm over 65 I get an extra $280 Homeowner Grant more than those under 65. If such a practice were discriminatory, like Kevin insists, then I'm sure this practice would have been stopped decades ago after it was first introduced.<br /><br />By the way, Kevin, I also get an Old Age Pension based simply on being 65. Don't you think you should EVERYONE should get one too? After all, that's how you read the act, right?Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16523089898331291694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5414957110325310952.post-66649981223268837522013-06-27T22:02:08.083-07:002013-06-27T22:02:08.083-07:00None of that has anything to do with UNITED STATES...None of that has anything to do with UNITED STATES law, the U.S. Constitution, the U.S. Supreme Court or the DOMA, which was the topic of Croft's post and his equal = equal. A senior discount hardly rises to the level of constitutional discrimination.Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10426646958382800630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5414957110325310952.post-87372970594018800122013-06-27T20:39:44.495-07:002013-06-27T20:39:44.495-07:00I would have thought that you would have known how...I would have thought that you would have known how to google something to find it for yourself. But since this is easier for you, I'll provide it here. The discrimination laws in Canada are broad based and do NOT only apply to employment:<br /><br /><a href="http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/h-6/fulltext.html" rel="nofollow">http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/h-6/fulltext.html</a><br /><br />See 2. the purpose of the act. Then, see 5 (b). I'm not a lawyer, and either are you but it looks pretty clear to me. It says that you cannot treat one person differently than another because of their age. And with providing goods, services, facilities, or accommodation you cannot differentiate adversely in relation to any individual on a prohibited ground of discrimination. Which, with regards to seniors discounts...is age!Kevin Readhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05795747155781311686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5414957110325310952.post-62263637344300368602013-06-27T18:21:46.565-07:002013-06-27T18:21:46.565-07:00You still don't get it Kevin. You may think s...You still don't get it Kevin. You may think senior discounts are illegal because they discriminate on the basis of age. After all, customers 55 and older get a cut-rate on goods and services that younger customers don't get. However, federal age discrimination laws apply only to employment. Employers can't fire or refuse to hire someone based on his age.<br /><br />Seniors discounts are perfectly legal so long as some general rules are followed. The discounts have to be given equally. Companies and businesses offering services and goods to the public - such as food, lodging, gasoline and entertainment - can't discriminate against customers based upon their race, color, religion, or national origin.<br /><br />So, senior discounts have to be given to all senior customers or patrons. A restaurant can't refuse to give discount to white or Catholic seniors while giving them to African-American or Jewish senior citizens.<br /><br />What you have offered is your opinion. An opinion is not a fact. Facts require proof. DOMA was a fact and it has been overturned. You seem to have some kind of federal law in mind regarding "senior citizen discounts". Perhaps you'd like to share it so we can all see what it says.<br /><br />Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16523089898331291694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5414957110325310952.post-84928103323312761562013-06-27T10:46:53.909-07:002013-06-27T10:46:53.909-07:00It is interesting that Edith and her lawyers were ...It is interesting that Edith and her lawyers were told by many Gay Rights organizations that this was the wrong time and the wrong case to use to attempt to challenge DOMA. They thought that the "right" had too much of a stranglehold on US society right now and that the challenge would fail, making it difficult, if not impossible to mount subsequent challenges.<br /><br />But it turns out, like martin Luther King said, "There is never a wrong time to do the right thing".Crofthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17634815881045387152noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5414957110325310952.post-12654053606308024252013-06-27T09:52:18.497-07:002013-06-27T09:52:18.497-07:00Kevin definitely understands Rick the situation re...Kevin definitely understands Rick the situation regarding DOMA. <br /><br />And not surprisingly, it is YOU who does not understand Rick. There IS a Canadian Federal Law governing age discrimination (although it is interpreted differently at the Provincial level) and seniors discounts, however they have chose to justify Seniors Discounts to prove that equal is in fact not equal. The same way they have done with the Indians in Canada. Croft puts in <b>bold letters</b> the fact that equal is equal...my point is that in many facets of the discrimination laws the system has chosen to make exceptions that apparently prove that we are not all equal.Kevin Readhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05795747155781311686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5414957110325310952.post-62187283803903988452013-06-27T08:57:47.991-07:002013-06-27T08:57:47.991-07:00What I find fascinating about the DOMA and VRA dec...What I find fascinating about the DOMA and VRA decisions is the staggering hypocrisy and deceit shown by Justice Scalia and his cohorts.<br /><br />They decry the fact that Justices overturned DOMA as passed by Congress - elected representatives - activist judges!<br /><br />But, they are perfectly o.k. with the same Justices overturning another law passed by Congress - the Voting Rights Act - non-activist judges?<br /><br /><br /><br />Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16523089898331291694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5414957110325310952.post-22903963887523516402013-06-27T08:55:39.960-07:002013-06-27T08:55:39.960-07:00Good point Norm. RE: 5th due process clause.Good point Norm. RE: 5th due process clause.Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10426646958382800630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5414957110325310952.post-1208416210810020122013-06-27T08:53:21.497-07:002013-06-27T08:53:21.497-07:00Kevin just doesn't understand that DOMA was a ...Kevin just doesn't understand that DOMA was a Federal Law that discriminated against people based on their sexual orientation thus it was ruled unconstitutional in the US. There is no Federal Law governing seniors discounts so his argument is moot. Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16523089898331291694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5414957110325310952.post-55093835191395058182013-06-27T05:52:58.617-07:002013-06-27T05:52:58.617-07:00Bill: I was surprised they cited the 5th rather th...Bill: I was surprised they cited the 5th rather than the 14th in their decision. We have always had restrictions on the ability to make a contract based on age or competency but gender, only regarding the marriage contract. Too close to that separation between church and state for my comfort. normhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04651902762232427335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5414957110325310952.post-3320458505259074762013-06-27T03:39:07.541-07:002013-06-27T03:39:07.541-07:00That's the point! A senior discount being off...That's the point! A senior discount being offered by a business is not the same thing at all as the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment of the Constitution granting ALL citizens equal protection of the laws and my comparison was just as disconnected as yours.Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10426646958382800630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5414957110325310952.post-52125514716625071872013-06-26T21:54:09.719-07:002013-06-26T21:54:09.719-07:00Nope, not the same thing at all Bill.Nope, not the same thing at all Bill.Kevin Readhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05795747155781311686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5414957110325310952.post-83166980898606214322013-06-26T20:35:08.852-07:002013-06-26T20:35:08.852-07:00I think that is a given, Chris. That is what she c...I think that is a given, Chris. That is what she challenged.Crofthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17634815881045387152noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5414957110325310952.post-34038194601045759932013-06-26T18:31:02.283-07:002013-06-26T18:31:02.283-07:00Does she have a case in winning back the taxes she...Does she have a case in winning back the taxes she paid?living.boondockingmexicohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17157433834193440923noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5414957110325310952.post-7546320104555794982013-06-26T18:21:22.256-07:002013-06-26T18:21:22.256-07:00Seriously??! Using that logic my health insurance...Seriously??! Using that logic my health insurance premiums should be the same as a 20-year-old.Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10426646958382800630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5414957110325310952.post-29211705097985865132013-06-26T16:45:48.140-07:002013-06-26T16:45:48.140-07:00Hmm. I wonder how they would do with age discrimin...Hmm. I wonder how they would do with age discrimination. I feel discriminated against every time I see I sign advertising seniors discounts...Kevin Readhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05795747155781311686noreply@blogger.com